Monthly Archives: April 2018

*Simply Listening* to Christians of Color

We’re back to our voters this week, introducing five new voices.  But this episode is also different: no reaction commentary from Dan & Ellen, and only minimal narration from Dan for context.  Rather, we are going to practice the discipline of *simply listening* to the stories of these Christians, who happen to have been born to parents who are not both of Caucasian descent.


4:01- Meet our voters 

4:58- “…Like a shirt that is ill-fitting”: Their stories 

21:03- “The ROOT and the FRUIT”: The history of the Municipal Police Departments 

31:23- How does Jesus speak into all of this?

36:32- “How many African Americans listen to Hillsong?”: The overlap of racial tension and church life

46:02- Do you consider yourself Evangelical?

53:55- “Dumb white-boy question”

Justin Giboney’s Podcast:
The & Campaign:
Jemar’s Podcast:
The Witness:

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Get Off Social Media?

Zombies? The Rapture? A country song *about* the Rapture? Check, check, and check. This week, Dan & Ellen take a break from voter-based episodes to discuss some more personal matters: anxiety and social media use, both of which are related to various forms of polarization in our current cultural landscape.  Along with some of Dan’s story/struggle with both of these, they hear from Dr. Donna Freitas and Jason Brooks about 1) what is going on our brains as we use social media, and 2) how college students use and think about social media.

2:25- “It’s your podcast; I’m just here for the wine”: Dan’s anxiety-timeline
5:00- “A contentious relationship with thunder”
6:30- Zombies?
10:00- “96 problems, but the end times ain’t one”: Existential dread in Dan’s 6th-grade mind
17:56- “The Mark of the Beach”: How Florida and the Antichrist became Dan’s anziety triggers
22:42- “The worst version of me. The best of everyone else.” Anxiety and social media
35:37- “Basically: Drugs”: Dopamine, isolation, social media, and the loss of a “third space”
52:58- Getting back to the real world
1:02:10- Recap/ We’ll see you next time “…in the rapture”

Anxiety and social media:

Andrew Sullivan:

Dr. Freitas:

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White Evangelical Trump Supporters, Pt 2

Dan & Ellen continue their interviews of White Evangelical Trump voters. This episode is best listened to after Part 1.


3:16- How political is your church environment?

5:05- “Information super MYway”: News sources and accepted bias

12:10- Is Donald Trump a Christian?

19:05- “Grab ’em by the statute of limitations”: The Access Hollywood tapes and the realities of civil litigation

44:38- How have you been treated by non Trump-voters?

49:29- What is one thing you wish non Trump-voters knew about you?

1:01:05- “Men at work”: Political trade-off

1:06:52- “A frickin’ circus”: Political frustration/closing

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White Evangelical Trump Supporters, Pt 1

The first of two episodes centered on interviews with 10 White Evangelical Trump voters. Timeline:

0:00- Intro/”Family Therapist Soapbox Time”
10:00- Why did you vote for Donald Trump?
13:40- How central was abortion to your vote for Trump?
15:00- “Ellen Mauro: Abortion Maniac”: Polling data and the importance of abortion in the 2016 election.
24:07- What does the Gospel mean to you?
27:34- How should the teachings of Jesus inform a voter?
36:37- What do you see in Donald Trump?
39:20- “Agree to disagree”: John Ward and Trump’s changing of the climate of truth
46:15- “Cultural Drift”
54:33- What has Trump done that is good for the nation?
58:40- Is there anything Donald Trump could do to cause you to question your support?
1:04:21- Has Trump done anything that you’ve disapproved of?

Pew study mentioned:
Lifeway Poll mentioned:
Jon Ward (Yahoo! News):

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Is That “81%” Statistic Reliable? A Closer Look at Evangelicals

Ellen and Dan speak with journalists & polling experts — Roxanne Stone of BARNA Group, Jon Ward of Yahoo! News and Robert P. Jones of Public Religion Research Institute — to wrap their heads around that infamous statistic (81% of white Evangelicals voting for Trump), understand what it means, and to dig deeper both into the present and the past of Evangelicalism amongst white Americans.  Also, we find out whether or not Ellen is, in fact, an Evangelical!

01:15- “Dan-splaining”: What is the hosting relationship? Who did the 19% vote for?

03:30- Episode summary

06:00- “The Religious White”: Roxanne Stone and the classification of Evangelical voters

10:40- “Is Ellen an Evangelical?”: The BARNA Group’s Evangelical test

15:30- Trump’s numbers amongst BARNA-certified Evangelicals

20:40- Robert Jones and changes in white, Evangelical America

25:40- “Evil tug O’ war”: A vote FOR Trump, or a vote AGAINST Hillary?

33:00- “Visceral dislike”: Why did Evangelicals have such a hard time with Hillary?

43:00- BARNA’s data on the election scandals, and how they influenced voters

52:00- Parallel institutions

01:01:00- Religious Liberty/Obergefell and white Evangelicals

01:09:20- “A note of compassion”: Closing thoughts

Find out/read more:
Roxanne Stone:

Roxanne Stone

John Ward:

Last season’s episode featuring Robert P. Jones:
His writing:

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