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Who Really Thinks Trump is a Christian?



Dan and Ellen confront the worry that has been nagging at Dan more than any other, since Trump’s nomination and election: did all those Christian voters *actually believe* that Trump was a Christian?

2:55- Are Trump supporters gullible, or simply following the status quo?

5:33- “True crime legend: James Dobson”: Trump’s status as a “Baby Christian” 

11:28- Were voters convinced by evangelical leaders’ support of Trump as a Christian candidate?

16:42- Trump as an honest man?

24:01- “Evangelical Illuminati”: Do Christian leaders believe their own claims?

26:20- Who are these evangelical leaders and what are they up to?

31:37- “Everybody’s gullible”: Ellen’s reactions

33:44- “Pew-sitters”: Does the average Evangelical agree with these Christian celebrities? 

50:46- A thought experiment with Jr and Sr Graham

53:08- Final Verdict: Are Trump voters, in fact, gullible? 

Jon Ward: https://www.yahoo.com/author/jon-ward/
Daryl Hart: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/protestprotest/
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Candice Clem Hijacked Her Interview And It Was Great



Candice was originally interviewed as one of our five Christians of Color, but our conversation went far enough afield, and was interesting and entertaining enough that we decided to give Candice her own episode.  She breaks down her experience growing up in the Korean American Church, her take on Donald Trump, and much more, all in real time. Candice and Dan also discuss depolarization in general, and why it might be an important goal for Christians.

2:06- When did she know she could not vote for Trump?

4:27- Candice’s conversation with African American Christian hip hop artist Derek Minor

7:06- Dr. Charles Hirschman and the contributions of the immigrant community

14:32- “Ways we might go”: Cultural considerations and the good/bad directions that we lean

18:57- Did Trump’s election make her fear for her safety or livelihood?

20:22- How have her interactions been with Trump supporters?

29:38- “The war of *ideological* aggression”: Jason Brooks on our connection with other people 

34:07- What is the one thing she wishes Trump supporters understood…?

38:29- What does she wish white Christians understood about Christians of color?

44:01- What is the gospel of Jesus Christ?

45:16- Does she consider herself pro-life?

49:31- What does Candice love about America?

Dr. Charles Hirschman: https://soc.washington.edu/people/charles-hirschman

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Going Deeper with Christians of Color



On our previous episode, Dan & Ellen took a backseat to the stories of five Christians of color, told in their own words.  This episode is a more standard Depolarize approach: dissecting and responding to these voters’ answers to Dan’s questions, and comparing them to what we heard from White Evangelicals (on either side of Trump) earlier this season.

4:05- Re-meet our voters

6:05- Why is it difficult for white Christians to talk about our “whiteness”?

12:28- Did Trump’s election make them feel unsafe?

15:33- Pro-life ambiguities: the view from their side

25:29- Why Christians of color might be less likely to vote Republican

27:25- What is the gospel of Jesus Christ, in their own words?

32:18- How should the teachings of Jesus inform a voter?

39:37- Why they didn’t vote for Trump

50:03- What have been their interactions with Trump supporters?

53:56- What do they wish white Christians understood about their communities?

1:04:56- “2-4% Neanderthal”: the arbitrariness of racism

1:08:23- What do they love about America?

Justin Giboney’s Podcast: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-church-politics-podcast/id1289898626?mt=2
The & Campaign: http://theandcampaign.com/
Jon Ward: https://www.yahoo.com/author/jon-ward/

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*Simply Listening* to Christians of Color



We’re back to our voters this week, introducing five new voices.  But this episode is also different: no reaction commentary from Dan & Ellen, and only minimal narration from Dan for context.  Rather, we are going to practice the discipline of *simply listening* to the stories of these Christians, who happen to have been born to parents who are not both of Caucasian descent.

Timeline:

4:01- Meet our voters 

4:58- “…Like a shirt that is ill-fitting”: Their stories 

21:03- “The ROOT and the FRUIT”: The history of the Municipal Police Departments 

31:23- How does Jesus speak into all of this?

36:32- “How many African Americans listen to Hillsong?”: The overlap of racial tension and church life

46:02- Do you consider yourself Evangelical?

53:55- “Dumb white-boy question”

Justin Giboney’s Podcast: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-church-politics-podcast/id1289898626?mt=2
The & Campaign: http://theandcampaign.com/
Jemar’s Podcast: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/pass-the-mic/id766830494?mt=2
The Witness: https://thewitnessbcc.com/

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Get Off Social Media?



Zombies? The Rapture? A country song *about* the Rapture? Check, check, and check. This week, Dan & Ellen take a break from voter-based episodes to discuss some more personal matters: anxiety and social media use, both of which are related to various forms of polarization in our current cultural landscape.  Along with some of Dan’s story/struggle with both of these, they hear from Dr. Donna Freitas and Jason Brooks about 1) what is going on our brains as we use social media, and 2) how college students use and think about social media.

Timeline:
2:25- “It’s your podcast; I’m just here for the wine”: Dan’s anxiety-timeline
5:00- “A contentious relationship with thunder”
6:30- Zombies?
10:00- “96 problems, but the end times ain’t one”: Existential dread in Dan’s 6th-grade mind
17:56- “The Mark of the Beach”: How Florida and the Antichrist became Dan’s anziety triggers
22:42- “The worst version of me. The best of everyone else.” Anxiety and social media
35:37- “Basically: Drugs”: Dopamine, isolation, social media, and the loss of a “third space”
52:58- Getting back to the real world
1:02:10- Recap/ We’ll see you next time “…in the rapture”

Anxiety and social media:
http://www.health.com/depression/multiple-social-media-sites-depression-anxiety
http://www.health.com/depression/could-lots-of-time-spent-on-social-media-be-tied-to-depression
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/why-we-worry/201612/social-media-loneliness-and-anxiety-in-young-people

Andrew Sullivan:
http://nymag.com/selectall/2016/09/andrew-sullivan-my-distraction-sickness-and-yours.html

Dr. Freitas:

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White Evangelical Trump Supporters, Pt 2



Dan & Ellen continue their interviews of White Evangelical Trump voters. This episode is best listened to after Part 1.

Timeline:

3:16- How political is your church environment?

5:05- “Information super MYway”: News sources and accepted bias

12:10- Is Donald Trump a Christian?

19:05- “Grab ’em by the statute of limitations”: The Access Hollywood tapes and the realities of civil litigation

44:38- How have you been treated by non Trump-voters?

49:29- What is one thing you wish non Trump-voters knew about you?

1:01:05- “Men at work”: Political trade-off

1:06:52- “A frickin’ circus”: Political frustration/closing

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White Evangelical Trump Supporters, Pt 1



The first of two episodes centered on interviews with 10 White Evangelical Trump voters. Timeline:

0:00- Intro/”Family Therapist Soapbox Time”
10:00- Why did you vote for Donald Trump?
13:40- How central was abortion to your vote for Trump?
15:00- “Ellen Mauro: Abortion Maniac”: Polling data and the importance of abortion in the 2016 election.
24:07- What does the Gospel mean to you?
27:34- How should the teachings of Jesus inform a voter?
36:37- What do you see in Donald Trump?
39:20- “Agree to disagree”: John Ward and Trump’s changing of the climate of truth
46:15- “Cultural Drift”
54:33- What has Trump done that is good for the nation?
58:40- Is there anything Donald Trump could do to cause you to question your support?
1:04:21- Has Trump done anything that you’ve disapproved of?

Pew study mentioned: http://www.people-press.org/2016/07/07/4-top-voting-issues-in-2016-election/
Lifeway Poll mentioned: https://lifewayresearch.com/2016/10/14/2016-election-exposes-evangelical-divide/
Jon Ward (Yahoo! News): https://www.yahoo.com/author/jon-ward/

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Is That “81%” Statistic Reliable? A Closer Look at Evangelicals



Ellen and Dan speak with journalists & polling experts — Roxanne Stone of BARNA Group, Jon Ward of Yahoo! News and Robert P. Jones of Public Religion Research Institute — to wrap their heads around that infamous statistic (81% of white Evangelicals voting for Trump), understand what it means, and to dig deeper both into the present and the past of Evangelicalism amongst white Americans.  Also, we find out whether or not Ellen is, in fact, an Evangelical!

01:15- “Dan-splaining”: What is the hosting relationship? Who did the 19% vote for?

03:30- Episode summary

06:00- “The Religious White”: Roxanne Stone and the classification of Evangelical voters

10:40- “Is Ellen an Evangelical?”: The BARNA Group’s Evangelical test

15:30- Trump’s numbers amongst BARNA-certified Evangelicals

20:40- Robert Jones and changes in white, Evangelical America

25:40- “Evil tug O’ war”: A vote FOR Trump, or a vote AGAINST Hillary?

33:00- “Visceral dislike”: Why did Evangelicals have such a hard time with Hillary?

43:00- BARNA’s data on the election scandals, and how they influenced voters

52:00- Parallel institutions

01:01:00- Religious Liberty/Obergefell and white Evangelicals

01:09:20- “A note of compassion”: Closing thoughts

Find out/read more:
Roxanne Stone:

Roxanne Stone

John Ward:
https://www.yahoo.com/author/jon-ward/

Last season’s episode featuring Robert P. Jones:
https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/depolarize-podcast/id1163609659?mt=2&i=406478725
His writing: https://www.prri.org/staff/robert-p-jones-ph-d/

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White Evangelicals Who Don’t Support Trump, Pt 2



Dan & Ellen continue their interviews of White Evangelicals who did not vote for Donald Trump in the 2016 election. This episode is best listened to after Part 1.

Timeline:

0:00- Intro/Recap

2:42- Why did you NOT vote for Trump?

8:02- Did you ever consider voting for Trump?

8:40- Did you even give him a chance?

11:35- Is there anything Trump could do to make you support him?

22:40- Did you have religious reasons for voting against Trump?

27:39- “The OPENEST hearts”: Policy vs. character.

30:53- “CROSS talk”: Why do some Christians think it’s wrong to vote for Trump?

38:32- What does the term “evangelical” mean to you?

47:33- Do you still consider yourself an evangelical?

52:42- Next week on Depolarize! Podcast

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White Evangelicals Who Don’t Support Trump, Pt 1



In the Season 2 premiere, Dan Koch and Ellen Mauro interview 6 White Evangelical Christians, none of whom voted for nor actively support Donald Trump.  These voters are a partial sample of the other side of White Evangelicals, who infamously voted for Trump at an 81% rate in 2016; these, you might say, are the other 19%.  Episode timeline:

0:00 – Intro & Season 2 Preview

05:42 – Meet our Voters

08:40 – Pro Life?  Whole Life?

16:15 – Are they really Christians?

18:45 – Are their churches overtly political?

22:30 – Do they understand Jesus and politics differently?

31:15 – Dan feels “convicted”

34:30 – What do they love about America?

43:15 – How it feels to be in the minority

48:00 – What they wish Trump-supporting Christians understood about them.

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