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A Catholic, a Mennonite & an Orthodox Priest Walk Into a Podcast, Part 1



The first of a two-part episode wherein Dan Koch and Ellen Mauro consider the worldviews and stories of Mary (Roman Catholic), Tom (Greek Orthodox), and Jennifer (Mennonite). This is part of our series on Christian voters who do not consider themselves “Evangelical.” Part 2 airs next week, and will be the final episode of Season 2.

Timeline:
6:45 – Meet our voters
14:25 – Looking closer at Anabaptism (with Greg Boyd)
18:30 – Why are they not Evangelical?
24:45 – What is the Gospel, in their own words?
34:30 – Pro-Life Questions
44:00 – Jesus, Politics, Etc.
54:34 – Sneak Peek of Next Week

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An Alternative to Evangelicalism? (Liberal Mainline Pt 2)



Dan & Ellen continue their deep dive into Liberal Mainline Protestantism, hearing from voters Jack & Debbie Holloway, as well as experts Dr. Tripp Fuller (Homebrewed Christianity Podcast) and Dr. James Wellman (University of Washington).

Tripp’s book and podcast: https://homebrewedchristianity.com/
http://fortresspress.com/product/homebrewed-christianity-guide-jesus-lord-liar-lunatic-or-awesome

Jim’s book: https://global.oup.com/academic/product/evangelical-vs-liberal-9780195300123

Homebrewed Culture Cast: http://www.christianpiatt.com/culturecast

“A New Kind of Christianity”: https://www.amazon.com/New-Kind-Christianity-Questions-Transforming/dp/0061853992

“The Bible Tells Me So”: https://www.amazon.com/Bible-Tells-Me-Defending-Scripture/dp/0062272039

“People’s History of Christianity”: https://www.amazon.com/Peoples-History-Christianity-Other-Story/dp/0061448710

“Heart of Christianity”: https://www.amazon.com/Heart-Christianity-Rediscovering-Life-Faith/dp/0060730684

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What is a Liberal Mainline Protestant?



This week and next, Dan walks Ellen (and the rest of us) through the world of Liberal Mainline Protestants: Methodists, Episcopalians, some Lutherans, some Presbyterians, United Church of Christ, and others. This is Part 1, which includes a lot of Dan and Ellen talking through and clarifying various ideas.

3:00 – What does “Liberal Mainline Protestant Church” mean?

10:45 – Meet the voters and experts

14:30 – What makes Liberal Mainliners different than Evangelicals?

21:58- Our hosts’ thoughts on the differences between Mainline Protestants and Evangelicals

29:00- “Evangelical vs Liberal”: Experts weigh in on the issue

39:00 – Political involvement among Liberal Mainliners

47:24- “The oppressors and the oppressed”: Liberal ideology and its relation to Christian ethics 

58:00 – Action steps: find a church, read a book, listen to a podcast

Tripp’s book and podcast: https://homebrewedchristianity.com/
http://fortresspress.com/product/homebrewed-christianity-guide-jesus-lord-liar-lunatic-or-awesome

Jim’s book: https://global.oup.com/academic/product/evangelical-vs-liberal-9780195300123

Welcome

Homebrewed Culture Cast: http://www.christianpiatt.com/culturecast

“A New Kind of Christianity”: https://www.amazon.com/New-Kind-Christianity-Questions-Transforming/dp/0061853992

“The Bible Tells Me So”: https://www.amazon.com/Bible-Tells-Me-Defending-Scripture/dp/0062272039

“People’s History of Christianity”: https://www.amazon.com/Peoples-History-Christianity-Other-Story/dp/0061448710

“Heart of Christianity”: https://www.amazon.com/Heart-Christianity-Rediscovering-Life-Faith/dp/0060730684

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Who Really Thinks Trump is a Christian?



Dan and Ellen confront the worry that has been nagging at Dan more than any other, since Trump’s nomination and election: did all those Christian voters *actually believe* that Trump was a Christian?

2:55- Are Trump supporters gullible, or simply following the status quo?

5:33- “True crime legend: James Dobson”: Trump’s status as a “Baby Christian” 

11:28- Were voters convinced by evangelical leaders’ support of Trump as a Christian candidate?

16:42- Trump as an honest man?

24:01- “Evangelical Illuminati”: Do Christian leaders believe their own claims?

26:20- Who are these evangelical leaders and what are they up to?

31:37- “Everybody’s gullible”: Ellen’s reactions

33:44- “Pew-sitters”: Does the average Evangelical agree with these Christian celebrities? 

50:46- A thought experiment with Jr and Sr Graham

53:08- Final Verdict: Are Trump voters, in fact, gullible? 

Jon Ward: https://www.yahoo.com/author/jon-ward/
Daryl Hart: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/protestprotest/
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Candice Clem Hijacked Her Interview And It Was Great



Candice was originally interviewed as one of our five Christians of Color, but our conversation went far enough afield, and was interesting and entertaining enough that we decided to give Candice her own episode.  She breaks down her experience growing up in the Korean American Church, her take on Donald Trump, and much more, all in real time. Candice and Dan also discuss depolarization in general, and why it might be an important goal for Christians.

2:06- When did she know she could not vote for Trump?

4:27- Candice’s conversation with African American Christian hip hop artist Derek Minor

7:06- Dr. Charles Hirschman and the contributions of the immigrant community

14:32- “Ways we might go”: Cultural considerations and the good/bad directions that we lean

18:57- Did Trump’s election make her fear for her safety or livelihood?

20:22- How have her interactions been with Trump supporters?

29:38- “The war of *ideological* aggression”: Jason Brooks on our connection with other people 

34:07- What is the one thing she wishes Trump supporters understood…?

38:29- What does she wish white Christians understood about Christians of color?

44:01- What is the gospel of Jesus Christ?

45:16- Does she consider herself pro-life?

49:31- What does Candice love about America?

Dr. Charles Hirschman: https://soc.washington.edu/people/charles-hirschman

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Going Deeper with Christians of Color



On our previous episode, Dan & Ellen took a backseat to the stories of five Christians of color, told in their own words.  This episode is a more standard Depolarize approach: dissecting and responding to these voters’ answers to Dan’s questions, and comparing them to what we heard from White Evangelicals (on either side of Trump) earlier this season.

4:05- Re-meet our voters

6:05- Why is it difficult for white Christians to talk about our “whiteness”?

12:28- Did Trump’s election make them feel unsafe?

15:33- Pro-life ambiguities: the view from their side

25:29- Why Christians of color might be less likely to vote Republican

27:25- What is the gospel of Jesus Christ, in their own words?

32:18- How should the teachings of Jesus inform a voter?

39:37- Why they didn’t vote for Trump

50:03- What have been their interactions with Trump supporters?

53:56- What do they wish white Christians understood about their communities?

1:04:56- “2-4% Neanderthal”: the arbitrariness of racism

1:08:23- What do they love about America?

Justin Giboney’s Podcast: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-church-politics-podcast/id1289898626?mt=2
The & Campaign: http://theandcampaign.com/
Jon Ward: https://www.yahoo.com/author/jon-ward/

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*Simply Listening* to Christians of Color



We’re back to our voters this week, introducing five new voices.  But this episode is also different: no reaction commentary from Dan & Ellen, and only minimal narration from Dan for context.  Rather, we are going to practice the discipline of *simply listening* to the stories of these Christians, who happen to have been born to parents who are not both of Caucasian descent.

Timeline:

4:01- Meet our voters 

4:58- “…Like a shirt that is ill-fitting”: Their stories 

21:03- “The ROOT and the FRUIT”: The history of the Municipal Police Departments 

31:23- How does Jesus speak into all of this?

36:32- “How many African Americans listen to Hillsong?”: The overlap of racial tension and church life

46:02- Do you consider yourself Evangelical?

53:55- “Dumb white-boy question”

Justin Giboney’s Podcast: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-church-politics-podcast/id1289898626?mt=2
The & Campaign: http://theandcampaign.com/
Jemar’s Podcast: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/pass-the-mic/id766830494?mt=2
The Witness: https://thewitnessbcc.com/

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Get Off Social Media?



Zombies? The Rapture? A country song *about* the Rapture? Check, check, and check. This week, Dan & Ellen take a break from voter-based episodes to discuss some more personal matters: anxiety and social media use, both of which are related to various forms of polarization in our current cultural landscape.  Along with some of Dan’s story/struggle with both of these, they hear from Dr. Donna Freitas and Jason Brooks about 1) what is going on our brains as we use social media, and 2) how college students use and think about social media.

Timeline:
2:25- “It’s your podcast; I’m just here for the wine”: Dan’s anxiety-timeline
5:00- “A contentious relationship with thunder”
6:30- Zombies?
10:00- “96 problems, but the end times ain’t one”: Existential dread in Dan’s 6th-grade mind
17:56- “The Mark of the Beach”: How Florida and the Antichrist became Dan’s anziety triggers
22:42- “The worst version of me. The best of everyone else.” Anxiety and social media
35:37- “Basically: Drugs”: Dopamine, isolation, social media, and the loss of a “third space”
52:58- Getting back to the real world
1:02:10- Recap/ We’ll see you next time “…in the rapture”

Anxiety and social media:
http://www.health.com/depression/multiple-social-media-sites-depression-anxiety
http://www.health.com/depression/could-lots-of-time-spent-on-social-media-be-tied-to-depression
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/why-we-worry/201612/social-media-loneliness-and-anxiety-in-young-people

Andrew Sullivan:
http://nymag.com/selectall/2016/09/andrew-sullivan-my-distraction-sickness-and-yours.html

Dr. Freitas:

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White Evangelical Trump Supporters, Pt 2



Dan & Ellen continue their interviews of White Evangelical Trump voters. This episode is best listened to after Part 1.

Timeline:

3:16- How political is your church environment?

5:05- “Information super MYway”: News sources and accepted bias

12:10- Is Donald Trump a Christian?

19:05- “Grab ’em by the statute of limitations”: The Access Hollywood tapes and the realities of civil litigation

44:38- How have you been treated by non Trump-voters?

49:29- What is one thing you wish non Trump-voters knew about you?

1:01:05- “Men at work”: Political trade-off

1:06:52- “A frickin’ circus”: Political frustration/closing

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White Evangelical Trump Supporters, Pt 1



The first of two episodes centered on interviews with 10 White Evangelical Trump voters. Timeline:

0:00- Intro/”Family Therapist Soapbox Time”
10:00- Why did you vote for Donald Trump?
13:40- How central was abortion to your vote for Trump?
15:00- “Ellen Mauro: Abortion Maniac”: Polling data and the importance of abortion in the 2016 election.
24:07- What does the Gospel mean to you?
27:34- How should the teachings of Jesus inform a voter?
36:37- What do you see in Donald Trump?
39:20- “Agree to disagree”: John Ward and Trump’s changing of the climate of truth
46:15- “Cultural Drift”
54:33- What has Trump done that is good for the nation?
58:40- Is there anything Donald Trump could do to cause you to question your support?
1:04:21- Has Trump done anything that you’ve disapproved of?

Pew study mentioned: http://www.people-press.org/2016/07/07/4-top-voting-issues-in-2016-election/
Lifeway Poll mentioned: https://lifewayresearch.com/2016/10/14/2016-election-exposes-evangelical-divide/
Jon Ward (Yahoo! News): https://www.yahoo.com/author/jon-ward/

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